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Re: Jennifer Lawrence as Katniss Everdeen
« Reply #15 on: March 02, 2013, 08:11:14 PM »
I agree....but I was not implying that Book-Katniss was ugly or unattractive. I'm just saying that she wasn't attractive enough to gain sponsors soley based off her looks(ala Glimmer and Finnick). Jennifer Lawrence is a lot better looking than Katniss Everdeen is intended to be. Book-Katniss is more like  Saoirse Ronan. She's cute but in an innocent way. Jennifer is borderline sexy
Glimmer and Finnick were not gaining sponsors solely based on their looks. They were both playing the "sexy" angle with their behavior and trying to charm the audience, something that Katniss is unable to do.

And where did you get the idea that Katniss was "cute but in an innocent way"? Nobody ever described her anything like that in the books. I never got the impression anyone would describe her as "cute" or "innocent-looking". Peeta, maybe. Prim and Rue, definitely. But Katniss, I don't think so.

Sure, Finnick and Glimmer had other things going for them, but their looks is what got them over....Not their skills.

Well, Katniss 16, small, "attractive enough"....one can assume that she's not Jennifer Lawrence "Hot"

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Re: Jennifer Lawrence as Katniss Everdeen
« Reply #16 on: March 02, 2013, 08:55:54 PM »
Sure, Finnick and Glimmer had other things going for them, but their looks is what got them over....Not their skills.
No, not just looks. I'm not talking about "skills", I'm talking about charm and playing the sexy angle and trying to win over the audience. If they had worn baggy clothes that covered their whole bodies and acted the way Katniss acts in front of the cameras, they wouldn't be thought of as the "sexy" Tributes. On the other hand, some very average looking celebrities can be sex symbols if they try to make the best of what they've got.

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Well, Katniss 16, small, "attractive enough"....one can assume that she's not Jennifer Lawrence "Hot"
What Haymitch said was that she was "attractive enough" - with no makeup and beautiful dresses and body waxing and skin smoothing and hairstyling, just the way she was on the reaping day - to be made to look really great when the prep team finishes with her. After the prep team gave her a thorough makeover and did her hair and makeup and Cinna put her in his dresses, she may have actually looked beautiful and "hot". Everybody looks way better when they're dressed up and made up. Would Glimmer really looked that great if she was from the mining part of District 12 and they just took her the way she looked like on the reaping day? I doubt it.

I don't see what Katniss being 16 has to do with it? All the Tributes are teenagers, Finnick was just 14 when he won. And who says that small women can't be hot?

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Re: Jennifer Lawrence as Katniss Everdeen
« Reply #17 on: March 04, 2013, 10:47:19 AM »
that's the cool thing about Finnick, looked great but was so mucvh more than that. I think Glimmer could have been the same way.

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Re: Jennifer Lawrence as Katniss Everdeen
« Reply #18 on: March 05, 2013, 04:10:11 PM »
@Ivana2804 My point is that the teams behind Fin and Glim worked that angle for them....And Fin and GLim sold it very well. Cinna, Hay,and Effie would have been crazy to attempt the sexy-angle for Katniss....and I doubt Book-Katniss could have pulled it off....I'm not saying that no 16 year old is "hot" nor am I saying that small women aren't.....Im talking about the way Katniss is described in the book...

@SoldierMellark1 I agree...It took more than looks for Fin to win his games, and it took more than looks for Glim to score at least an 8

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Re: Jennifer Lawrence as Katniss Everdeen
« Reply #19 on: March 05, 2013, 05:42:01 PM »
It doesn't seem that Ivana and baby-boi are THAT far apart in their opinions, at least when it comes to Katniss's sexiness or lack thereof.  But it also seems that there has been some confusion between "attractive" and "sexy".  Selling yourself in a sexual way is something that I do NOT see as part of Katniss's skill set at all.  However, this doesn't mean she wasn't attractive, or lacked charisma.

I agree with Ivana that, considering how shallow the Capitol audience is established to be, I doubt they would have cared as much about the "star-crossed lovers" if they hadn't seen them as attractive.  Also, consider how the Capitol audience goes wild over her initial appearance during the THG Tribute parade, way before the star-crossed lover storyline starts to get marketed.  I do not think they were just cheering how good Cinna's costume looked on her; there was something about Katniss herself that captured their attention. 

Anyway, for people who feel that Jennifer was "too built" or "too sexy" to play Movie!Katniss; I really did not think the THG movie portrayed Katniss as "sexy" at all.  (Thank goodness!)  Jen got into character flawlessly; it wasn't just the dyed hair that convinced me that she was Katniss.  One critique of THG characterization is that Katniss's temper was toned down a lot, but so was Peeta's.  (He gets angry more than a few times in THG.)

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Re: Jennifer Lawrence as Katniss Everdeen
« Reply #20 on: March 08, 2013, 12:44:51 AM »
My impression of Katniss is that of an innocent, average looking, girl-next-door type of girl. She said even the slightest of the career girls towers over her. Innocent because of Peeta's remark on her reaction to a naked Johanna, and of Finnick agreeing with Katniss describing herself as an open book. The Capitol audience may perceive her as someone vulnerable, pure and uncorrupted by the materialistic world, but brave and loving, because she volunteered for her sister, and she made a point not to shed a tear in front of the cameras. I think these attributes, even without Cinna's makeup, already won her a lot of Capitol hearts.

There are many places in the book where Katniss described what she is like. The following from Mockingjay gives a good description of what she is not:

"I watch the woman on the screen. Her body seems larger in stature, more imposing than mine. Her face smudged but sexy. Her brows black and drawn in an angle of defiance. Wisps of smoke – suggesting she has either just been extinguished or is about to burst into flames – rise from her clothes. I do not know who this person is."
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Re: Jennifer Lawrence as Katniss Everdeen
« Reply #21 on: March 08, 2013, 04:05:56 PM »
My impression of Katniss is that of an innocent, average looking, girl-next-door type of girl. She said even the slightest of the career girls towers over her. Innocent because of Peeta's remark on her reaction to a naked Johanna, and of Finnick agreeing with Katniss describing herself as an open book. The Capitol audience may perceive her as someone vulnerable, pure and uncorrupted by the materialistic world, but brave and loving, because she volunteered for her sister, and she made a point not to shed a tear in front of the cameras. I think these attributes, even without Cinna's makeup, already won her a lot of Capitol hearts.
I'm not sure where you're getting the "average-looking, girl-next-door" vibe. Masses don't obsessed with beautiful dresses worn by women they find average looking, and I really doubt that the Capitol audience is less superficial than most people are today. What we do know is that, for instance, Darius found her attractive, and that Katniss herself thinks in Mockingjay that she would have eventually been forced into prostitution because many people in Capitol would want "The Girl on Fire". The very nickname itself really doesn't sound like something they would give to a girl they were marketing as "average-looking girl-next-door".

There are many places in the book where Katniss described what she is like. The following from Mockingjay gives a good description of what she is not:

"I watch the woman on the screen. Her body seems larger in stature, more imposing than mine. Her face smudged but sexy. Her brows black and drawn in an angle of defiance. Wisps of smoke – suggesting she has either just been extinguished or is about to burst into flames – rise from her clothes. I do not know who this person is."
This gives a good description of what she is in the eyes of the public and what she looks like with makeup and clothes her prep team puts on her and when they film her.

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Re: Jennifer Lawrence as Katniss Everdeen
« Reply #22 on: March 08, 2013, 06:54:16 PM »
I don't think Katniss was exuding sexuality like Finnick or Glimmer.  I think Finnick is the kind of person who is so attractive that even straight guys would notice, such as Boggs with his "We just saw Finnick Odair in his underwear" line.  Though I guess it's *possible* SC meant for Boggs to be gay; Katniss mentions he has a son, but nothing about a wife, and maybe he was bisexual, but Occam's Razor would suggest this scene was meant to be more about Finnick's unquestionable hotness, than Boggs's sexuality.  Finnick is meant to be hot even in a hospital gown, which makes 99% of people look quite unattractive.  I don't think SC meant for Katniss to look hot in a hospital gown (well, except maybe to Peeta and Gale).  But prepped, pampered, and dressed up, she would.

As for Katniss's comments when she sees her first propo, I think one important part of Katniss's characterization is, as Peeta says, "She has no idea, the effect she can have".  That likely had a double meaning, that she didn't know the effect she had on Peeta himself, but also the effect she had on the people of D12; Katniss herself is surprised when they all salute her at the reaping, for example.

She also does not really see herself as a sexual being for most of the book; her seeing romance mostly as "a relationship that is a lead up to marriage and kids", implies a rather immature, "playing house" view of romance, even accounting for D12 possibly being a traditional society where early marriage and childbearing was expected.  So of course, seeing an imposing, sexy woman on a screen is not going to jibe with her own mental image of herself. 

Her comment after Finnick's tell-all interview, that Snow would have got a lot of money for the Girl on Fire, happens months after her first propo, and perhaps this comment is meant to be one step in her slow realization that yes, she IS a sexual being.

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Re: Jennifer Lawrence as Katniss Everdeen
« Reply #23 on: March 08, 2013, 10:36:08 PM »
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I'm not sure where you're getting the "average-looking, girl-next-door" vibe.

I find the vibe is everywhere in the books. Both in the way Katniss thinks of herself and in the comments from some of the other characters. How a person carries himself/herself has a large bearing on how attractive that person is to others. Some of the things Katniss says in the first book are that she "never smiles except in the woods", "just keeps to myself", she "has a lot of practice wiping my face of emotions". I'm not sure about the exactly wording, but she thought the reason why she was never popular at school was because she was just an unfriendly person.

During the training session with Haymitch, the general vibe was that she "just doesn't have the arrogance. Too vulnerable for ferocity. She's not witty, sexy or mysterious". Haymitch himself thought she appears sullen and even hostile, and has as much charm as a "dead slug". That she is "no one at all".

Finnick had a casual dig at Katniss by asking how she could stand her own image in the mirror. Even though Finnick might have seen plenty of women in his times, and in his unpretty state he may still be pretty hot, I wouldn't think he would say that to someone who actually looks gorgeous.

All these would not give a vibe of her being an attractive person in a romantic or even in a social way. She could be one of those people who would not entice you to open her up, but once you do open her up she can be as endearing as anyone you'll ever meet.

I wouldn't take much out of Darius' flirt on Katniss when he told her that she ought to buy one of his kisses. It's his egotistic boast than his desire for her. Katniss thinks he is boyish for a peacekeeper, implying a degree of immaturity.

The other person who finds her attracive is Peeta, but that was a crush from childhood. Obviously there are other qualities in her that attract Peeta and others, but not in a romantic way. (In Peeta's case, these qualities attracted him romantically.) I see that the effect Peeta talked about refers to the "fire" in her. She said she will not go down without a fight. She would not show weakness by shedding tears. She is very confident about her physical abilities. The bow and arrow is her life (she said "goodnight" to it in MJ before she headed for the nightlock). She knows she is quick and agile, and despite being thin she knows she is strong. Once she has the bow in her hand in the first games she became fearless like the Careers. When she's not conscious of it I'd say there is an air about her that would send a message to the oppressed (hope, solidarity) and the oppressor (threat). What message does she send to the Capitol crowds? Maybe a message they have never seen before and stoke a hunger (how rare!) inside them? Maybe for change? No wonder Snow finds her so dangerous.

Once she dons on Cinna's dress, she said that "I am not pretty. I am not beautiful. I am as radiant as the sun." The radiance of the sun is the effect that she has on people. Not her beauty or charm.

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This gives a good description of what she is in the eyes of the public and what she looks like with makeup and clothes her prep team puts on her and when they film her.

It's what the propaganda team like the public to see her as. Why the need for so much make ups and photoshopping? Katniss could not relate to the image she was seeing - tall, imposing, sexy. The defiance in her eyes, even if they were there at the beginning, may have toned down somewhat after all the anxieties and battle weariness.
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Re: Jennifer Lawrence as Katniss Everdeen
« Reply #24 on: March 09, 2013, 05:08:15 AM »
I don't think Katniss was exuding sexuality like Finnick or Glimmer. 

After Katniss' run in with Finnick at the "sugar cube" scene, she replayed the same dialog with Peeta, complete with her attempt at being hot. Peeta's first reaction was "Ugh!" So no, she wasn't exuding sexuality even if she tries.

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"We just saw Finnick Odair in his underwear" line.

I don't think Boggs is gay. Soldiers are typically very macho figures. Seeing himself being flirted at by another man, especially someone as reputable as Finnick, can be an awkward moment! What you said is true though. Finnick is meant to have a figure that even men would die for. In fact, the book doesn't say it, but I have a strong feeling that his Capitol clients span both genders! What a price Finnick had to pay especially when he is already loyal to a single lover?

Katniss said that what she did in volunteering for even their own sister was so radical that it's unheard of in D12. Her action impressed on the people at the reaping (the effect). Social values have become seriously degraded in her world. I see that the salute at the reaping showed that the people there still have capacities for conscience and compassion. Underlying the helplessness and submissiveness of the people, there is still a stubborn resistance, and a belief for justice. The reaping of a 12 year old is anything but, and Katniss was the only one, ever, to come in her defense.

About her realisation, or speculation, that she could have become a Capitol prostitute. Initially she didn't know the reason for Haymitch's drunkenness until she learns more of his story. The more she knew of the fates of past games winners the more she realised that popular winners are left vulnerable to threats and retributions by Snow. Through her narration I don't think she sees herself as a sexual being. Her mind is too pre-occupied with other life-or-death matters for her to think that. But she realised that people in the Capitol, especially those with power, may see her that way.
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Re: Jennifer Lawrence as Katniss Everdeen
« Reply #25 on: March 10, 2013, 12:46:20 PM »
This has gotten out of topic.
This is for JL as Katniss, not an in depth argument of things in the book.


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Re: Jennifer Lawrence as Katniss Everdeen
« Reply #26 on: March 10, 2013, 06:51:03 PM »
This has gotten out of topic.
This is for JL as Katniss, not an in depth argument of things in the book.

Sorry!  For anyone who's interested in discussing this further, I'm going to move the "how charming and attractive is Katniss" discussion to the "Katniss" topic in the "Characters" forum, since it seems much more appropriate for there.